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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 8, 2010 11:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ever changing fanbase of the DEAD...?

Ha--I was a dedicated head by sixth grade...just couldn't go to a concert til I was in HS.

Oh sure, I imagine some folks were there for the jams, but was just describing that Capn Cook had a point yesterday...ie, jams in the late 70s were not the same as the early days. Think of an Eleven vs space...apples and oranges.

But, all this jam bashing is besides the pt; I think that clapping in general was for "recognition" as you note...the start of a song, OR recognition/reward for an outstanding solo or some such.

And was by extension expounding on the "short song" preference, at least among my odd little group, that went in the mid to late 70s...

Thus, back to CCook's pt: "is clapping at the end of a long jam once a few chords have been played 'thanks' for the jam or 'thanks' for starting the next song?" and my vote is it was often for the latter...dunno the %, but it fits your "name the tune!" game which we ALL did ALL the time, and so did BD and HFlow by their own admission.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Sep 8, 2010 1:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ever changing fanbase of the DEAD...?

I'm with you on that point. Also would judge by the behavior during a long jam later on - lots more beach-ball tossing, bathroom breaks, light another fatty for entertainment, etc. Especially agree: " jams in the late 70s were not the same as the early days. Think of an Eleven vs space...apples and oranges." I do enjoy drum solos, but they better be good and to the point, 3-4 minutes seems more than enough time, whereas a good rendition of The Eleven would have riveted me totally.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 8, 2010 6:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ever changing fanbase of the DEAD...?

Gotta define the terms, though. Jams don't equal space, and the disappearance of, say, DS and the Eleven didn't mean the disappearance of jams within songs. Also, late 70s isn't "late."

Maybe it would be clearer if we gave the mini-eras fruit names, since it's apples and oranges, but also peaches and pears and bananas and ... what does, say, 85 get? Kiwi, for the fozziness? Are the last few years a persimmon?

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Sep 8, 2010 8:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ever changing fanbase of the DEAD...?

What was most enjoyable about your late 70's, early 80's DEAD experiences? Did you still go for the short rocking tunes played well with high energy solos?

Often, when I listen to shows from this vintage I am often drawn by an unusually long (for the era) Playin' or a second set sandwich or flow of songs, hoping for some new harmonic form to emerge out of the predetermined structure of songs they'd been playing more or less the same way for a long time. I guess this was rare so you did not go hoping for this sort of thing but appreciated it when it happened?

Did you enjoy Althea at all? Thought you might be one to appreciate the latter era brilliance of Garcia/Hunter on this tune.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 8, 2010 9:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ever changing fanbase of the DEAD...?

Nope; jam only now; do appreciate Althea, and not just cause of Rose...

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Sep 8, 2010 9:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ever changing fanbase of the DEAD...?

Jam on, brother Tell! 12-7-68 is very nice and fuzzy... gonna have to load that onto my laptop from my external soon.

Rose?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 9, 2010 6:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ever changing fanbase of the DEAD...?

Althea Rose...the gal poster...we're the same age...I can't say any more, or folks will get upset; I like to think we're friends, that's probably as far as I can go, right?

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Sep 9, 2010 7:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ever changing fanbase of the DEAD...?

where's the yardstick? where's Dan Healy?

gotta keep on top of these things in case we have any testosterone spikes

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 9, 2010 9:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ever changing fanbase of the DEAD...?

Hey, I am just glad at the close of the third quarter we are beating the russkies in FIBA, with our "replacement team"...whewww...lets hope it holds up. 38 yrs ago I lived and died with the three time replay of the last 3 seconds; I did become a huge fan of Doug Collins as a result, regardless of what he does to his hair these days, I will forever appreciate the fact that he won that game in the Olympics...

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Sep 9, 2010 9:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ever changing fanbase of the DEAD...?

My grandfather was on the Red Army basketball team, starting point guard... they used to go around playing other base's teams and clubs teams, etc. That's how he spent a good deal of his mandatory military service!